and that environment has a long tail to it, which should produce cash flow in the u.s. economy, 5% or better. >> so why isn't the public playing this market? why are they not in this market? >> the most recent memory in all of their heads, every single macro event risk they've all seen, whether it's the situation in europe or closer to home, the financial crisis, and that's going to last for quite a long period of time, especially since the household itself, the liability shelf, is still there and it's still in repair. >> and if anything that prolongs that rally, right? >> no question about it. that's the misguided notion out there, which is, you want to not all rush in there at once, but the reality is, no, that's where you get multiples go up to 18, 19 times and get the boom bust. the first move is cash to equities, not fixed income to equities. that second move is fixed income flows to equities, when the economy really gets above 3%. >> what are you going to buy here? >> well, we like almost everything in equities. our favorites would be the largest of the large cap